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sealmanIconOpinion on Bush03:59 09.12.05 


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from some of the posts in the forum, i can see that a lot of ppl here r pro-Bush, and im interested in ppl expressing their opinions on the guy...

personally, along with a lot of other Canadians, we dont really like the guy. maybe we r "misunderestimating" him but on the political scale the guy is extremely right-winged, and like America to "police" the world. Becuz im also half Chinese i can tell from the chinese ppl's stand point like te issue of Taiwan, that America is hated for a reason.

for example on the issue of iraq... Bush claimed they attacked for weapons of mass destruction, but then of course there r none. then they claimed that they attacked becuz hussein was a dictator.. well guess what, a puppet government isnt any more democratic. i mean if u r an iraqi wouldnt u much prefer an asshole that is iraqi to dictate ur country than a foreign asshole runing ur country.

ever since the end of world war II that saw world imperial power shift to US, America has been nothing but "bullying" the smaller countries for the things it wants. maybe not conqure the world through ways like hitler did, but destroying other countries' bussiness and have their economy totally reliant on US. Building the American empire has been significantly more magnified, ever since Bush came to power.

sure communism is bad, but is capitalism really that much better. maybe ppl should think that the best way to fight terrorism is to get rid of the biggest terrorist in the world- Bush, and let the world have peace
 
RobIcon...09:51 09.12.05 

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Interesting.

Personally, I supported the war in Iraq. Sure, no weapons were found - but there is little doubt that there were weapons there (or indeed still are). Sadam Hussein was an evil dictator who caused many deaths and would surely have continued to do so if allowed to remain in power.

Iraq is in an extremely turbulent time, but that is to be expected. It may well remain as such for a decade or two - but I do think it will calm down eventually, when people begin to realise that democracy is for their benefit.

In regard to your comments about America being a superpower, people tend to forget that throughout history there have always been such nations. Take the British empire at its peak, the USSR before it collapsed and even Rome.

I don't think America will remain quite so dominant in the future, namely because of the rapidly expanding China. It will indeed be interesting to see how it all pans out - the face of world business is changing extremely quickly.

Bush has his faults, of that there is no doubt. But the majority of the American public elected him to office, twice - if that public is not sensible enough to pick the correct president, then perhaps they don't deserve one.
 
bigguy563Icon...13:36 09.12.05 

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Something I find so ironic about America right now, maybe others also notice this, is that before the Iraq war many big American democrats, Such as John Kerry, Hilary and Bill Clinton, believed that there were weapons of mass destructions or that if left alone Saddam would develop them. But now they're completely stepping back on their words and saying that Bush and Bush alone had misled the American People. And anyways, we also had a definite psycological reason for believing that Saddam had WMDs (Why would a man with nothing to hide repeatedly and deliberatly turn away or mislead UN weapons inspectors?)

There were also other reasons, maybe we haven't yet found WMDs, but what about the Humanitarian motives? Howard Dean once said that we don't know if the Iraqi people are going to be better off.
 
bigguy563Icon...13:36 09.12.05 

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13:50 09.12.05 - Edited

Something I find so ironic about America right now, maybe others also notice this, is that before the Iraq war many big American democrats, Such as John Kerry, Hilary and Bill Clinton, believed that there were weapons of mass destructions or that if left alone Saddam would develop them. But now they're completely stepping back on their words and saying that Bush and Bush alone had misled the American People. And anyways, we also had a definite psycological reason for believing that Saddam had WMDs (Why would a man with nothing to hide repeatedly and deliberatly turn away or mislead UN weapons inspectors?)

There were also other reasons, maybe we haven't yet found WMDs, but what about the Humanitarian motives? Howard Dean once said that we don't know if the Iraqi people are going to be better off. And as usual for Howrard Dean, He's wrong.

More later
 
saber07Icon...20:03 09.12.05 

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Originally posted by sealman...
sure communism is bad, but is capitalism really that much better. maybe ppl should think that the best way to fight terrorism is to get rid of the biggest terrorist in the world- Bush, and let the world have peace



I'm curious as to why you think capitalism isn't much better than communism?
 
erikmcfarIcon...00:00 10.12.05 

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Originally posted by sealman...
from some of the posts in the forum, i can see that a lot of ppl here r pro-Bush, and im interested in ppl expressing their opinions on the guy...

personally, along with a lot of other Canadians, we dont really like the guy. maybe we r "misunderestimating" him but on the political scale the guy is extremely right-winged, and like America to "police" the world. Becuz im also half Chinese i can tell from the chinese ppl's stand point like te issue of Taiwan, that America is hated for a reason.

for example on the issue of iraq... Bush claimed they attacked for weapons of mass destruction, but then of course there r none. then they claimed that they attacked becuz hussein was a dictator.. well guess what, a puppet government isnt any more democratic. i mean if u r an iraqi wouldnt u much prefer an asshole that is iraqi to dictate ur country than a foreign asshole runing ur country.

ever since the end of world war II that saw world imperial power shift to US, America has been nothing but "bullying" the smaller countries for the things it wants. maybe not conqure the world through ways like hitler did, but destroying other countries' bussiness and have their economy totally reliant on US. Building the American empire has been significantly more magnified, ever since Bush came to power.

sure communism is bad, but is capitalism really that much better. maybe ppl should think that the best way to fight terrorism is to get rid of the biggest terrorist in the world- Bush, and let the world have peace



Prior to the war, just about every intelligence agency from every country thought that Saddam still had WMD. Saddam had several years since the time he last kicked the inspectors out until they were reinstated prior to the start of the war. Even then it was the same old song and dance. They showed the inspectors what they wanted them to see, not what THEY [the inspectors] wanted to see. Even Hans "ignorance is" Blix aggreed on this, he would later say (several months after Iraq had been liberated), that had inspections continued in the manner they were, that we would have condoned the use of military action (I'm skeptical of this statement however).

Anyways, you can put your little "evil republicans are planning to take over the world" thoughts in the garbage. Bush jr. isn't the first president to want to take out Saddam. Clinton wanted to do it several times, so no this is not a dem/republican issue, only the Howard Deans and other "be completely against what the republicans say" democrats think this.

No one knows what happend to the tons and tons and tons of WMDs that Saddam didn't ever account for. Maybe he destroyed them, then why didn't he just say so? It's kinda like trying to bluff someone holding a full-house with Ace-high, doesn't usually work too well. Still other possibilities include burying them in some random, remote patch of desert or moving them to Iran or Syria. However, IIRC, the US did find some small amounts of ricin and other chem weapons, though this didn't really amount to much.

You aren't by any chance Howard Dean are you? No you make him look conservative. Even US president since Tawain was created was supported Tawain, democrats and repubicans alike.

Honestly, I think we've done a pretty good job policing the world, we let Europe try it, but that kinda failed when there was two world wars in the span of 30 years...ooops. Has America made mistakes? Yes, but who hasn't. Does America act with her self intrests first? Yes, but what super power hasn't.

Do you honestly think that the USSR would have been as benevolent with the use of power as America has?

P.S. Al Queda, doesn't just hate Bush and America, they hate freedom. They stand for oppression. Any country with a democratic form of government is an enemy of Al Queda. Do you think that if America sank into the ocean tomorrow that Al Queda's war against the West would stop?

P.S.S. America isn't going anywhere fast (knock on wood). Is China gaining? Yeah, but they aren't anywhere close yet, America is still leaps and bounds ahead in critical areas such as technology, especially that of space techonology which will be the next great area of exploration/exploitation.
 
sealmanIcon...01:22 10.12.05 


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Originally posted by saber07...
I'm curious as to why you think capitalism isn't much better than communism?



ok first u need the definition of what "communism" really mean. On the political scale, for far socialist idea of government is communism, where the idea is everyone is equal. Ideally it is a government where there r no poor ppl, crime since everyone has just as much as everyone else. While in captalism is the polar opposite of that, where u have a huge number of poor ppl and a few really really rich ppl. now i know, there r no country in the world that r truly communist, (china is actually more captalist than communist if u see how many rich ppl there r). but to answer ur question, whenever there is an extreme on the political scale, it is never a good thing. yes the fake communism isnt good, but as i stated b4, capitalism isnt much better
 
sealmanIcon...01:42 10.12.05 


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02:23 10.12.05 - Edited

my reponse to erikmcfar:

ok... first a lot of what u r saying is really restating of the propaganda from the american gov.
Al Queda, doesn't just hate Bush and America, they hate freedom.

how do u know that? did bin ladin come out and say that? now im not saying what these terrorists did was the right thing... im just saying that a lot of the information that americans r getting r really biased opinions of the media that is heavily influenced by the government.

as for bush


Anyways, you can put your little "evil republicans are planning to take over the world" thoughts in the garbage. Bush jr. isn't the first president to want to take out Saddam. Clinton wanted to do it several times, so no this is not a dem/republican issue, only the Howard Deans and other "be completely against what the republicans say" democrats think this



well... im NOT saying everything was all great up till bush came along... im just saying ever since WWII, america has been on its way to total imprialism to the world, taking their captalist ideas that lots of countries resent. Bush here just magnifies the problem. sure USSR wasnt great, but thats y it collasped. do americans really want to go back and follow the foot steps of these old empires in the past? the way they r abusing the laws of the world right now, they r. sure u may justify their actions on iraq, it isnt much about what they did in there as how they got in there. UN was created after WWII to prevent future conflicts, not to restrict small countries and to be ignored by the major ones... then whats the point of having UN.

America has always been a military country. born out of war(american revelotion), sustained through war(civil war), always thoughts of taking over north america(manifest destiny.. war of 1812 etc)... not that these r bad or have anything to do with the current issue directly, but it is in the american blood to be militarists. sure america had isolist stand in both world wars at beginning (im not criticizing bout world war II, becuz i admit they were good in that one) but in world war I, the controversy of it is that america used the cruise ship Lusitania as an excuse (since it did carry weapons on board and germans did have warning) just becuz they couldnt stay out of the war anymore... so to state that US is all peaceful and innocent is really...(ah dont want to swear here)

look at the trades? (well this is a canadian issue) NAFTA(north american free trade agreement) is there so that everyone can abide, not for america to benifit then throw away if its damaging its indutry. a few years ago americans added a heavy tax to canadian softwood lumber. canada has taken the case to world court that it is unfair under NAFTA, and world court has since ruled in our favor numerous times. but what did US do? if u guessed ignored the ruling completely... u r right.

then take israel-palestine conflict... is it really exactly like what we r told that the poor jews r so unfortunate that they r attacked by the pesty muslim terrorists? think... why r the palestinians doin this... it was as much of their holy land as the jewish, and jews just built their country right on top of the existing palestine nation. how do u think the palestinians should do? sit there and complain to a UN that is only useful when they r on American side and ignored when US opposes? so exactly what kind of information do we get from media like CNN? do we get both sides of the story?

just to touch on the europeans governing the world... well if u havent noticed, we have something called UN. we dont need a single country to run the world. sure america is "doing a good job"(??) right now, but europe did just as good(again questionable) up till the 1910's when major imperial powers collide. just becuz there r no other massive imperial power to oppose u doesnt mean u r doing a good job.

just look at the path that america is taking... and think bout it... r they really "fight for the freedom of democracy"? or just getting the things they want... r they really "overthrowing dictors that r abusing their country"? or is it just an excuse to get rid leaders that they think r hostile to american imperialsim...
 
erikmcfarIcon...07:18 10.12.05 

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Oh God, we haven't had one of these in SOOOOOOOOO long. I'm going to have so much fun.

We're to start...I always felt the top is was a good place.


how do u know that? did bin ladin come out and say that? now im not saying what these terrorists did was the right thing... im just saying that a lot of the information that americans r getting r really biased opinions of the media that is heavily influenced by the government.

Because if you look at their ideology (what they believe), it goes against every democratic principle. Pretty simple. Look what they do to women/other religious beliefs/etc. Note, I am NOT saying these things against Islam, I am saying these things about the very radical form of Islam practiced by Osama and co.


well... im NOT saying everything was all great up till bush came along... im just saying ever since WWII, america has been on its way to total imprialism to the world, taking their captalist ideas that lots of countries resent. Bush here just magnifies the problem. sure USSR wasnt great, but thats y it collasped. do americans really want to go back and follow the foot steps of these old empires in the past? the way they r abusing the laws of the world right now, they r. sure u may justify their actions on iraq, it isnt much about what they did in there as how they got in there. UN was created after WWII to prevent future conflicts, not to restrict small countries and to be ignored by the major ones... then whats the point of having UN.

Were you born after 2000? If so let me give you a little history lesson: Iraq invades Kuwait. US has to beg and plead with the UN nations (coughfrance), to do something about it. US along with Britian and several other countries show up and slap Saddam around like a red-headed step child. At this point, theres is only sand in between the coalition and removing this miserable excuse for a human being from power, BUT the almight UN says no, he should say in power and be able to continue his fair rules of gassing his own citizens, terrorizing his own citizins, torturing his own citizens, rapping his own citizens, etc, etc, etc. Fast forward tweleve years and 17 UN resolutions later (each of which he broke, where was the UN then?). The US said enough is enough, either this guy comes clean or we bust his ass. Saddam represented a straight flush, when infact he was holding Ace-high, the US called his bluff and now he's a short few months from being at the end of a gallow, with his neck split in two. Evil evil US & co. Question. Have you been to Iraq? Have you talked with the people who are there. Admittedly I have not, HOWEVER, I know many people who have and they say the vast vast majority are very thankful for what the US, British, & co. did for them. Again, evil evil US. Where was your almight and holy UN at during their suffering? That's right Kofi Annon smoking cigars with the devil.

Get over the UN, its been tried twice (league of nations was attempt #1) and it has failed miserably both times.


America has always been a military country. born out of war(american revelotion), sustained through war(civil war), always thoughts of taking over north america(manifest destiny.. war of 1812 etc)... not that these r bad or have anything to do with the current issue directly, but it is in the american blood to be militarists. sure america had isolist stand in both world wars at beginning (im not criticizing bout world war II, becuz i admit they were good in that one) but in world war I, the controversy of it is that america used the cruise ship Lusitania as an excuse (since it did carry weapons on board and germans did have warning) just becuz they couldnt stay out of the war anymore... so to state that US is all peaceful and innocent is really...(ah dont want to swear here)

LOL. I love how condem everything America does, except when they are forced to show up and save failed European policy, then it was justified.

Question: The US practically did the same thing in WW2 as in WW1, yet in WW1 they are evil warmogners for providing the Allies with much needed food and supplies. Though I will admit the British did do a fine job with the Zimmerman fake-o-gram....I mean telegram.


look at the trades? (well this is a canadian issue) NAFTA(north american free trade agreement) is there so that everyone can abide, not for america to benifit then throw away if its damaging its indutry. a few years ago americans added a heavy tax to canadian softwood lumber. canada has taken the case to world court that it is unfair under NAFTA, and world court has since ruled in our favor numerous times. but what did US do? if u guessed ignored the ruling completely... u r right.

Honestly I don't know anything except the headlines on this one. I am not an economist, my speciality is the criminal justice system. Thus I reserve judgement on this to people who actually know what is going on.

P.S. Contries do these things all the time. How evil of the US to do such a thing.


then take israel-palestine conflict... is it really exactly like what we r told that the poor jews r so unfortunate that they r attacked by the pesty muslim terrorists? think... why r the palestinians doin this... it was as much of their holy land as the jewish, and jews just built their country right on top of the existing palestine nation. how do u think the palestinians should do? sit there and complain to a UN that is only useful when they r on American side and ignored when US opposes? so exactly what kind of information do we get from media like CNN? do we get both sides of the story?

If you want to blame someone in this debacle, why don't you blame the people who put them there in the first place....the British.

It's quite obvious that neither side wants piece. They want to blow each other to kingdomcome. Many resonable and practical solutions to the problem have been produced but their are guilty parties on both sides.

America has pretty much always been support of a palestinian state. Get your facts straight before you aimlessly bash America.


just to touch on the europeans governing the world... well if u havent noticed, we have something called UN. we dont need a single country to run the world. sure america is "doing a good job"(??) right now, but europe did just as good(again questionable) up till the 1910's when major imperial powers collide. just becuz there r no other massive imperial power to oppose u doesnt mean u r doing a good job.

I've already addressed this above. The UN doesn't work, get over it.

Are you serious? The European powers have been colliding since the dawn of time (okay not really but you get my point). The only thing that was different about WW1 was the scale it was on. Crimean war, Napolean, French-Indian, (god knows how many other wars amongst the European powers).


just look at the path that america is taking... and think bout it... r they really "fight for the freedom of democracy"? or just getting the things they want... r they really "overthrowing dictors that r abusing their country"? or is it just an excuse to get rid leaders that they think r hostile to american imperialsim...

Or you could come back to reality and realize that the world is fully of really crummy terrible people and sometimes the only way to deal with said people is by kicking a little ass.


Funny but errily true:


"We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks...Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!"

 
sealmanIcon...18:32 10.12.05 


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well... for my posts i never stuffed anything down ur throat, im just pointing out some modern day american ISSUES... sometimes in the world there is no such thing as absolutely right or absolutely wrong... im just throwing the ideas out there for u to THINK

if u like to believe everything thats been told to u by the american media (or directly american government) sure, u r entitled to ur own opinion, and im not gonna bash that...

but u gotta realize, just becuz u were once good doesnt make u forever good, its bout the path u r taking... im sure binladin, hussein, stalin or even hitler were good ppl once as well, not like they were born evil... but do u want to see the same thing with USA?

look at vietnam war... yes north was communist, but was the south democratic? UN doesnt work, but does it still give u the right to do whatever u want? (im sure that was also one of the reasons.. o i mean excuse.. that hitler used to get dictorship)

just to touch the palesteinian thing... it is just one of many examples on how US is divided on either to make themselves look great or just plain and simple profit... y dont they just come out and support taiwan completely if china is such an asshole? ... o becuz america would lose trade.. no good if no $$$$

back to UN... UN is created so that everyone contribute to make it work... if u think UN suck so much, then u should be trying to improve UN rather than ignoring it... but just the thoughts of how US is all justified to do whatever... then i have proved my point of american imprialism
 
sealmanIcon...20:13 10.12.05 


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20:22 10.12.05 - Edited

ok its funnier when i read the thing the second time...

u keep on saying im refering america as "evil"... please can u quote me once on where i said that?


Are you serious? The European powers have been colliding since the dawn of time (okay not really but you get my point). The only thing that was different about WW1 was the scale it was on. Crimean war, Napolean, French-Indian, (god knows how many other wars amongst the European powers).



so? i was sarcastic... meaning america is not good... any imprialism is not good...


LOL. I love how condem everything America does, except when they are forced to show up and save failed European policy, then it was justified.



man do u even know how big earth is... if u realize, its more than just america and europe... and i dont want to go down the racist avanue


Question: The US practically did the same thing in WW2 as in WW1, yet in WW1 they are evil warmogners for providing the Allies with much needed food and supplies. Though I will admit the British did do a fine job with the Zimmerman fake-o-gram....I mean telegram.



read the whole damn paragraph... i said it doesnt have anything to do directly... just proves that americans love war... fact bout WWI is they love war... not becuz they were "evil"...still dont know where i ever stated america was evil...


Honestly I don't know anything except the headlines on this one. I am not an economist, my speciality is the criminal justice system. Thus I reserve judgement on this to people who actually know what is going on.

P.S. Contries do these things all the time. How evil of the US to do such a thing.



..............wtf r u talking bout... countries do this all the time? under free trade? agreement that both sides signed.... well if u thnk theres nothing wrong with it then it just proves how credible america is...


Or you could come back to reality and realize that the world is fully of really crummy terrible people and sometimes the only way to deal with said people is by kicking a little ass.



in other words, u believe in absolute power by the americans... but as they say, "absolute power crumbles absolutely"



"We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks...Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!"



if u run out of stuff to say then shut up... u dont have to be barbaric enough to insult ppl... i want a good educated debate in here, not coming down to a BS like that
 
erikmcfarIcon...21:19 10.12.05 

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Originally posted by sealman...
well... for my posts i never stuffed anything down ur throat, im just pointing out some modern day american ISSUES... sometimes in the world there is no such thing as absolutely right or absolutely wrong... im just throwing the ideas out there for u to THINK

if u like to believe everything thats been told to u by the american media (or directly american government) sure, u r entitled to ur own opinion, and im not gonna bash that...

but u gotta realize, just becuz u were once good doesnt make u forever good, its bout the path u r taking... im sure binladin, hussein, stalin or even hitler were good ppl once as well, not like they were born evil... but do u want to see the same thing with USA?

look at vietnam war... yes north was communist, but was the south democratic? UN doesnt work, but does it still give u the right to do whatever u want? (im sure that was also one of the reasons.. o i mean excuse.. that hitler used to get dictorship)

just to touch the palesteinian thing... it is just one of many examples on how US is divided on either to make themselves look great or just plain and simple profit... y dont they just come out and support taiwan completely if china is such an asshole? ... o becuz america would lose trade.. no good if no $$$$

back to UN... UN is created so that everyone contribute to make it work... if u think UN suck so much, then u should be trying to improve UN rather than ignoring it... but just the thoughts of how US is all justified to do whatever... then i have proved my point of american imprialism



Who said anything about throat stuffing? You were pointing out "modern day US issues" from your opinion, and I was pointing out how those said issues are false/illogical/utter nonsense. I know I must be winning, as you've been reduced to making silly personal attacks and not answering questions posed to you.

Media - Actually I find the US media, somewhat anti-American, especially in their coverage of the Iraq war. Though I'm pretty sure I've seen more of the world than you have, so I'm going to assume that my point of view is based less on what I've heard than what I've actually seen with my own eyes. Where do you get your information from? Oh wait...the media. How is my opinion biased, yet yours so enlightend? As they say, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Vietnam - As you mentioned in a previous post, there isn't always the choice between good and evil, unfortuneatly, the choice is often between evil and less evil.

Isreal/Palestine - Read my prior posts, I'm not going to aimlessly restate myself a million times. If you have facts to such please state them, otherwise stay away from underground "conspriacy theories."

China/Tawain - The US is in full support of Tawain, this has been stated many times, any attempt by China to "reunite" by military means will lead to swift US intervention.

Have you ever read the book "The Bear and the Dragon" by Tom Clancy, it touches on that economic point you bring up between the US and China, even though it is a work of ficiton, the economic point is true. If the US were to cut-off all trade with China, China would come out the sore loser. Do you know what the Trade Deficit with China is? A lot. That means all that stuff that the US was previously buying from China doesn't get bought and their economy goes down the shitter, as there is not another market that big to absorb those losses, sure US companies would lose out on China, but that is less of a problem for us, than it is for them. Chinese exports are mainly low quality mass producable goods that can easily be bought from a wide array of countries, so we wouldn't lose out on anything we get now. The only thing we lose out on is the things we export, but those are not near as numerous as what we import. This arguement is complete rubbish.

UN - See "Isreal/Palestine" in regard to repeating myself over and over again.

US Warmongering - Give me a break. The US has not been in any more wars than any other power has in the same time frame. I'll ask you this, if the US is so war hungry, why didn't we declare war on Germany 1914, and why weren't American troops anchoring the defense of France in 1936 when Hitler broke the treaty of Versaille and reoccupied the Rhineland?

If you want to debate, fine, but please address issues and questions presented in arguements not wild, barely related tangents.

You said you were half Chinese. Did you ever live in China?
 
sealmanIcon...21:27 10.12.05 


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21:30 10.12.05 - Edited

funny... cuz u started the personal attacks

to answer the question.. i am chinese, born in china lived there for 10 years before immigrating to canada

if u havent noticed.. im not british, so ur points bout british media should let guys like rob to answer

also its not like u have answered all of my points either... my main point of all is american imprialism, and u cant deny that

dont have time to answer all of ur unreasonable comments.... ill respond to them a later date... but one thing i must say:


ask anyone in this forum... if u find American media to not be controled american government, and in fact against america... u have serious issues
 
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Originally posted by sealman...
funny... cuz u started the personal attacks

dont have time to answer all of ur unreasonable comments.... ill respond to them a later date... but one thing i must say:


ask anyone in this forum... if u find American media to not be controled american government, and in fact against america... u have serious issues



Dissecting illogical/untrue statements isn't personal attacks.

If the US gov't control the US media, why would anything remotely negative about America be put in the news?

If the American media is controled, then what categories do the medias of China, Russia, Iran, etc fall into?

I think you say things without actually realizing what you are saying, in your case it is blind homerism.
 
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Originally posted by sealman...
to answer the question.. i am chinese, born in china lived there for 10 years before immigrating to canada

if u havent noticed.. im not british, so ur points bout british media should let guys like rob to answer

also its not like u have answered all of my points either... my main point of all is american imprialism, and u cant deny that



Okay, so there are no differences between Chinese and Western media? Level of democratization?

When I did I say anything about British media?

I didn't answer your posts, because I ALREADY answered them (in my first response):


Honestly, I think we've done a pretty good job policing the world, we let Europe try it, but that kinda failed when there was two world wars in the span of 30 years...ooops. Has America made mistakes? Yes, but who hasn't. Does America act with her self intrests first? Yes, but what super power hasn't.

Do you honestly think that the USSR would have been as benevolent with the use of power as America has?

 


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